Vera First Class - Webinar 1: Guiding Principles and Designing your Program - Shared screen with speaker view
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Hi, Belinda! So glad you're participating!
for more you can read the report Mary just mentioned here: https://www.higheredinprison.org/publications/equity-and-excellence-in-practice-report
What questions do Mary's remarks raise for our new Second Chance Pell partners?
what's standing out to you?
Some Mary Qs to consider: How are you thinking about how people engage with your program - are you thinking about program demographics - what exclusions exist in your program -
Rose State College currently offers classes to 11 different facilities. We develop work shops for all of the education coordinators to help strength communication.
Some Mary Qs to consider: How are you measuring and defining program success? Are you making sure that you are measuring quality for your program in the same way that your campus is measuring quality for its program?
Interesting point about recidivism - while our higher ed institution may not measure, DOC and others may. I know that's a whole other discussion but important for us at the colleges to remember.
We are often asked to measure program success based on if the formerly incarcerated obtain employment in that field. How do we change that thought of successful completion.
Melissa - for our technical programs on campus, we do measure employment of our graduates. For those that have been incarcerated, we could measure but need to note that employment has its own hurdles.
For anyone interested in the Equity and Excellence Report, you can find it here: https://www.higheredinprison.org/publications/equity-and-excellence-in-practice-report
Dr. Sam Hurley
Recidivism may not be considered an outcome but it is a measure of success that is affected by higher education.
There are a number of outcomes that are likely to be of interest to the different partners involved in the implementation of your program: colleges may be interested in different outcomes than corrections, for example
John Donnelly, PVCC
Admissions requirements are difficult. Some, like writing essays, tend to disadvantage students who could benefit but who are not good writers. Suggestions on admission requirements that are equitable?
Brenda, is the measurement specifically that they obtain a job in the exact field or that they are employed in a related field. My questions is if they complete a custodial program but they become employed in landscaping. Is that measured as a success?
Melissa, I believe they ask if employed, if employed in related field, and if employed in the exact field.
Melissa — there are a few things that I can suggest (in an effort to expand the understanding of how employment outcomes work). First, the idea should be stressed that employment does not equal success. It’s important to tie employment to a credential and the human experience. For example, if someone has a BA degree in History and they are working at a car wash then they are employed but in an industry connected to their degree so that is one indicator that something is wrong — the next thing that would be is to explore job satisfaction. Maybe this person wants to work at the car wash and is happy and chose this path. That’s a different story than they tried to get multiple positions at museums or a library and are only working at the carwash because it was the only place they could get hired. So, expanding the desired data (measure) from employment to job satisfaction would be a better way.
We can’t use internet inside the New York state prisons, and in Michigan they have access to chain saws!!!
John, one question I would ask about the admission essay (I agree, that it disadvantages students) is to ask, why is the program using the essay and is it necessary for admission? Is it necessary to “place” students in courses once admitted? If that’s the case, then it could be administered later and does not need to be part of admissions.
Thank you Brenda.
Thank you, Brian, that was great!
Here's the vocational village video again. Please watch it. It's only 3 minutes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAkcruum01Q&feature=youtu.be
Brian, looking to connect offline: Can you shoot me an Email to email@example.com
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I appreciate thinking about James' comments about the need for new models and merging this with Mary's comments. Equity doesn't mean the exact model on the outside, and flexibility seems doable while also keeping academic quality in mind.
John Donnelly, PVCC
I agree that no incarcerated individual should have to wait for postsecondary education especially under the SCP model, but ironically, we all have limits on the amount of Pell we can provide in our facilities under this program. Why is that?
When we offered prison college under a previous federal funding and students shared that this opportunity was the first time they even thought about going to college...it would never have happened on the outside.
James' comments speak to the need for adult learning approach; especially because the student brings knowledge to the classroom
Please make sure to share out the recording of this webinar. We would like to share the comments, especially James’ to our colleagues. Great insight, great sharing.
James: Colleges need to be students ready
Thank you, James. Well said -- Education should be prioritized inside prison and absolutely should be student ready.
Thank you James for sharing that critical viewpoint!
Thanks for sharing James! Such great information.
Hi Lynette, no worries - the recording will be sent out to all participants today.
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Will an email list of participants be available for networking?
Rober Byrd, I hope so. That would be great!
Yes, we will be preparing an email list to share with everyone for networking.
Brian, thank you,
Policy-makers and the public are moved by cutting recidivism.
Brian, do you use Adult Career Pathways?
What stood out to you?
where is Brian Walsh and how do I get to a breakout room
I’m from Kansas
90 minutes starting at 2 PM ET.July 2, Meeting 2: https://verainstitute.zoom.us/meeting/register/tJAuc-urrDsrGteiQNaOwfxjkCcltRfhPh1bJuly 9, Meeting 3: https://verainstitute.zoom.us/meeting/register/tJEtcOqtrzovHdPmy3mzlKmGjuNBp7hbcIeqJuly 16, Meeting 4: https://verainstitute.zoom.us/meeting/register/tJYrdOGorzkrGNJotEh1ZWvIheNDyQAmmmRnAugust 6, Meeting 5: https://verainstitute.zoom.us/meeting/register/tJckduutqDovEtZnBee2WSru6VoJiZz1pNjfRecording will be sent out.Email list will be sent out.
Thank you everybody for participating today and sharing valuable feedback!
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Thank you for today and I look forward to next week! Stay safe and healthy.
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Thanks to our speakers and break-out facilitators!